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paulwb



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:39 am    Post subject: Bibble and F-Spot Reply with quote

Hi,

I am using F-Spot (http://www.f-spot.org) as photo management application and to connect Bibble and F-Spot together I wrote two F-Spot plugins I published yet to the F-Spot Mailinglist.

If you want to read this a bit better:

http://purecodes.org/f-spot/UsingFSpotAndBibble.html


The Add-Ins:

- Send selected files from F-Spot to a Bibble work queue
- Import processed files back to F-Spot (this could be useful using
other software to process raw files, too)

You can install the extensions by adding them (if you have F-Spot 0.4.0, don't know if you need even 0.4.1) as extension repository (Edit -> Manage Extensions). The url:

http://purecodes.org/f-spot/

I explained my workflow, if you are interested on the url given above.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

* subscribing to this thread.

Why do you prefer F-spot above Digikam? I tried them both, but liked digikam more. Maybe you can pull me over Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone thinking of doing same thing for digikam but have not heard anything more about it.

http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-imaging/2007-June/005286.html
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lenn-art: I know the digikam 2 years ago. I heard a lot about it and I know that know it has a lot of nice features and so on. To be honest, I use F-Spot because I get used to it, I am using it for two years now and I did not try digikam any more.

Another reason is that F-Spot is Gnome/GTK, it integrates with the gnome desktop and beagle (I use Gnome), has export targets to gallery2, flickr, cd, and so on, allows tagging (writes tags to image files), searching by tags, filename and comments, supports versions, is extendible with export extensions and add-ins...

Don't know if DigiKam does all this, too.

If I have time I'll have a look at DigiKam and I'll tell you my impressions.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

to answer your questions on digikam;

yes yes yes yes

I prefer kde which is why i use digikam but am sure f-spot is good as well.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:24 pm    Post subject: bibble and f-spot Reply with quote

f-spot works fine in kde. *most* kde and gnome applications will work fine in the other window manager.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm running Gnome & KDE in a X environment Smile I use a theme similar to the X theme and the difference isn't big.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

paka: of course, but thats not the point. KDE and Gnome do have a different desktop environment, a different look and feel, different icons. And, the most important thing, different usability concepts and standards that are followed by the application which are delivered with and for the respective desktop environment.

I you are used to use one of them you won't change easily to the other one.

I just took a look at DigiKam... and, sorry, but I just can't live with the KDE usability concepts and the KDE controls. I know, its just a thing of getting used to it.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont know if I am alone in that case, but sending files to a workqueue is a good feature, but I d really prefer to share tags, IPTC and all those meta-information between whatever software I use (personally digikam and bibble).

I d like to find time to build some plugins for digikam but couldnt find some yet.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're not alone, but the difficulty is that in that case several programs has to use one, shared database. So, every developer should use the same database (like MySQL) and the same tables etc. It would be fine, but i think it's also an Utopia.

A synchronization between programs through sidecars (like XMP) would be an option, but every time when you change something in program A, program B has to detect this change in an existing file!
For example: you add the IPTCtag 'dog' to picture_1234.jpg in Bibble. Because the file picture_1234.jpg & his sidecar picture_1234.xmp are importerd by F-spot, the entry exists in the database. So would a minor change spotted when you start a program?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lenn-art wrote:
For example: you add the IPTCtag 'dog' to picture_1234.jpg in Bibble. Because the file picture_1234.jpg & his sidecar picture_1234.xmp are importerd by F-spot, the entry exists in the database. So would a minor change spotted when you start a program?

By checking the directories change time against the DB and then for changed directories checking the modified timestamps of the files.
Works like a charm in iMatch.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Bibble and F-Spot Reply with quote

paulwb wrote:
I am using F-Spot (http://www.f-spot.org) as photo management application and to connect Bibble and F-Spot together I wrote two F-Spot plugins I published yet to the F-Spot Mailinglist.


Not much use to me as F-Spot can't display E-510 (and probably E-410) RAWS.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Bibble and F-Spot Reply with quote

raven-au wrote:
paulwb wrote:
I am using F-Spot (http://www.f-spot.org) as photo management application and to connect Bibble and F-Spot together I wrote two F-Spot plugins I published yet to the F-Spot Mailinglist.

Not much use to me as F-Spot can't display E-510 (and probably E-410) RAWS.


I take that back.
It's because dcraw wasn't installed.
Hows that for good software management.

Dcraw is needed by F-Spot but:
The rpm package doesn't depend on it so it doesn't get installed if it's not present!
F-Spot itself doesn't check it can find dcraw!
F-Spot doesn't detect that it failed to run a non existent helper program and merrily displays "nothing" which it certainly does quit well!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

afx wrote:
lenn-art wrote:
For example: you add the IPTCtag 'dog' to picture_1234.jpg in Bibble. Because the file picture_1234.jpg & his sidecar picture_1234.xmp are importerd by F-spot, the entry exists in the database. So would a minor change spotted when you start a program?

By checking the directories change time against the DB and then for changed directories checking the modified timestamps of the files.
Works like a charm in iMatch.

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afx
Ah! I supposed that it wasn't so easy! More that every directory has to be fully scanned every time.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lenn-art wrote:
[Ah! I supposed that it wasn't so easy! More that every directory has to be fully scanned every time.

No full scan needed if you only check the modified time of the directories....
Full rescan would be painful.
Newer Linux systems could also send notifications to running apps if the directories change as far as I know.

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